In this article, we offer a look at another more a budget option, designed for fans of overclocking and productive systems with modern processors– MSI P35 NEO motherboard.
Note that in the case when a FireWire controller is installed on this board, the index F is added to the model name, and its name looks like MSI P35 NEO-F.
Motherboard specification MSI boards P35 NEO:
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north bridge |
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south bridge |
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Processor socket |
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Supported processors |
Intel Core 2 Quad Core / Core 2 Duo / Pentium / Celeron Intel Yorkfield, Wolfdale |
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System bus, MHz |
1333/1066/800MHz |
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Used memory |
DDR2 800/667 MHz |
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Memory support |
4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM dual-channel architecture up to 8GB |
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Expansion slots |
1 x PCI-E x16 |
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Disk subsystem |
Southbridge ICH9 supports: Optional controller Marvell 88SE6111 supports: |
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Sound subsystem |
Realtek ALC888 8-channel audio codec |
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LAN support |
Network controller RTL 8111B (10/100/1000 Mbit) |
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24-pin ATX power connector |
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Cooling |
Aluminum heatsinks on the northbridge and southbridge |
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Fan Connectors |
1 x CPU |
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External I/O ports |
2 x PS/2 keyboard and mouse ports |
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Internal I/O ports |
8 x USB |
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Overclocking options |
Frequency change: FSB, PCI-Express, memory. |
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Equipment |
1 x SATA cable |
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Form factor Dimensions, mm |
ATX |
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Products webpage |
The new BIOS version for MSI P35 NEO2-FR/FIR can be downloaded from the official page. |
The MSI P35 NEO motherboard is packaged in a small MSI styled cardboard box. The package notes the support for 1333 MHz system bus and 45 nm processors.
The MSI P35 NEO motherboard package includes:
- two CDs with drivers for Windows Vista and Windows XP;
- user manual and installation instructions,
- cable UltraDMA 133/100/66;
- Serial ATA cable
- I/O panel blank;
- SATA power adapter.
MSI P35 NEO motherboards have a fairly good layout - power connectors and ports are located mainly along the edge of the textolite. Although there are drawbacks - in a not entirely advantageous position, under the PCI slots, there is an FDD connector, as well as opening the latches of the green slots random access memory the inserted video card will interfere. When upgrading a computer, perhaps many users would like to have three PCI slot instead of the two available ones, so we will also note this fact as a small lack of MSI P35 NEO. Also, I was not pleased with the lack of polymer capacitors that are quite “fashionable” at the present time. It is worth noting that MSI releases the MSI P35 Neo Combo, which supports both types of DDR2 and DDR3 memory, and the MSI G33 Neo with integrated graphics on such a PCB.
To cool the north bridge, a relatively large, but not very high, aluminum radiator is used. Much smaller sizes has a cooler on the southbridge.
Since several sets of logic can be used to fill the PCB of the MSI P35 NEO motherboard, there are empty places for two more SATA connectors, which are installed when using the Intel ICH9R south bridge, and there is also a place reserved for the FireWire controller. In our case, the MSI P35 NEO uses the Intel ICH9 chip, which supports four SATA II ports without the ability to create RAID arrays. An additional Marvell 88SE6111 controller is used to ensure the operation of the IDE port and one more SATA.
For ease of connection, eight internal USB ports and a system panel connector are color-coded.
MSI P35 NEO motherboard has only two PCI slots, three PCIE x1 and one PCIE x16 slot. Of the controllers integrated on the board, one can note the gigabit network card on the RTL 8111B, the Realtek ALC888 eight-channel audio codec, whose front panel connector supports connections in HDA and AC`97 formats.
The MSI P35 NEO has only a three-channel processor power regulator, but this fact is not surprising for a board of this class.
The following ports are displayed on the rear panel: two PS / 2 for keyboard and mouse, four USB connectors, COM and LPT ports, an RJ45 connector for network connections and connectors for 8-channel audio.
The MSI P35 NEO motherboard has three fan headers, one of which is 4-pin for the CPU cooler, and the rest are 3-pin for case fans. All connectors are located in different parts boards, which simplifies the choice of a place for connection.
The MSI P35 NEO motherboard uses an AMI-coded BIOS with a lot of settings. Almost all overclocking settings are in a separate section of the Cell Menu.
Settings required for overclocking:
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Processor technologies |
EIST, CPUID MaxVal, Execute Bit |
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Proprietary smart overclocking technology |
1, 3, 5, 7, 10, 15 % |
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Processor multiplier |
Adjust CPU Ratio |
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System bus frequency |
Adjust CPU FSB Frequency |
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Frequency PCI bus Express |
Adjust PCI-E Frequency |
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Divisors for memory |
FSB/Memory Frequency |
1:1.25; 1:1.5; 1:1.67; 1:1.2; 1:1; 1:1.2; 1:1.6; |
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Memory Timings |
CAS, RAS to CAS, RAS Precharge, RAS Act to Prechar, tRFC, tWR, TWTR, TRRD, tRTP |
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CPU voltage |
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Voltage on memory modules |
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FSB voltage |
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Northbridge voltage |
1.25 - 1.65 V |
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Southbridge voltage |
The BIOS has the ability to activate proprietary technology for automatic overclocking D.O.T. (Dynamic Overclocking Technology), with which you can overclock the processor from 1% to 15%.
To set the memory frequency, there are seven dividers, which can be used to optimally set the frequency during overclocking.
As usual, it is possible to adjust the timings and sub-timings of the RAM, but you can notice the absence of the 1T / 2T Memory Timing setting, which changes the command decoding time.
Wide ranges of voltage settings will quite improve the stability of the system during overclocking. In addition, the levels of critical quantities are very conveniently shown, which will help less experienced users navigate.
In the Hardware Monitor window, you can monitor:
- temperature of the processor and motherboard;
- the speed of rotation of the processor cooler and two case fans;
- voltage on the power lines 3.3V, 5V, 12V, 5V SB and the processor core.
In the "CPU Smart FAN Target" item, you can enable the function automatic control cpu cooler speed.
The MSI P35 NEO motherboard was able to run at a system bus frequency of 530 MHz. Given the large set of settings in the BIOS, we can assume very good possibilities for overclocking processors with its help.
Testing sound path based on Realtek ALC888 codec
Overall Results (RightMark Audio Analyzer)
Performance Testing
The following equipment was used to test the capabilities of motherboards.
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CPU |
Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 (LGA775, 1.86 GHz, L2 2 MB) |
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Thermaltake Sonic Tower (CL-P0071) + Akasa AK-183-L2B 120mm |
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RAM |
2x DDR2-800 1024MB PQI PC6400 |
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video card |
EVGA GeForce 8600GTS 256MB DDR3 PCI-E |
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HDD |
Samsung HD080HJ, 80 GB, SATA-300 |
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optical drive |
ASUS DRW-1814BLT SATA |
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Power Supply |
Chieftec CFT-500-A12S 500W, 120mm fan |
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CODEGEN M603 MidiTower, 2 x 120mm fans for intake / exhaust |
MSI P35 NEO shows an excellent level of performance for a motherboard in its class.
conclusions
The MSI P35 NEO motherboard is a relatively inexpensive solution with good functionality and good overclocking potential, which, in a sense, managed to exceed our expectations. Although fans of overclocking should take into account far from the most powerful processor power regulator. The cost of MSI P35 NEO is one of the lowest among offers based on the Intel P35 chipset, while it has almost no obvious drawbacks. Unless, perhaps, some future owners would like to see more PCI slots, instead of the same PCI-E x1.
Advantages:
- support Intel processors Penryn, made on 45 nm technology;
- a large number of BIOS settings required for overclocking;
- tested bus capability at 530 MHz;
- 8-channel High Definition Audio;
- low cost for its class.
Flaws:
- lack of official support for DDR2-1066;
- very modest equipment;
- only two PCI slots;
- no external S/PDIF;
- no firewire controller.
We express our gratitude to the company PF Service LLC (Dnepropetrovsk) for the motherboards provided for testing.
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Published on PS, we started to explore low-end motherboards that are not perceived by most users as "overclocking" products. Against the background of a similarly priced product called Biostar TP45 HP, the MSI P45 Neo-F motherboard has only one significant advantage - widespread use. When searching for the next review candidate, we decided to find a board that combines the same popularity as the MSI P45 Neo-F, but is neither a direct nor an indirect price competitor for the Biostar TP45 HP. After a short search, such a board was found - MSI P35 Neo.
INTRODUCING YOUR MOTHERBOARD
Launched over a year ago, the MSI P35 Neo comes in a small blue box.
advertising
The front side contains information about compatibility with processors and the supported frequency of the system bus. The reverse side provides information about the main technologies and capabilities:
On the side there is a sticker with the main characteristics:
The delivery set is typical for all MSI motherboards. price category, is included in it.
MotherboardMSIP35NEO-F
Currently, MSI's line of motherboards are based on Intel chipset P35 consists of five boards, differing both in price and functionality.
NEO series boards are positioned as solutions for economical users. The package bundle of such boards is, as a rule, an example of reasonable minimalism. The Platinum and Diamond series are designed for computer enthusiasts. For their manufacture, high-quality Japanese capacitors are used, copper radiators and heat pipes are used to cool the heating elements.
Packaging and equipment
The MSI P35 NEO-F board comes in a box made of glossy cardboard with an image of the clawed paw of an unknown monster pushing its steel claws through an obstacle towards the board:
Opening the box, you, in addition to the board itself, will find a minimal set of additional accessories:
2 discs with software and drivers for various operating systems: Windows XP and Windows Vista (information on the official website says that WinME/9x OS is not supported by the board);
user's manual;
UDMA-66/100/133 cable;
SATA cable;
power cord for SATA devices (MOLEX-SATA adapter);
rear I/O panel (not shown).
This is a typical bundle for motherboards in the lower price range, and MSI could add a couple of additional brackets to the kit, especially since according to the manual this is optionally possible.
Board features, design and layout,BIOS, included software
The main features of the board are described in the table:
| Supported processors | - Intel Core 2 Extreme, Core 2 Quad, Core 2 Duo, Pentium and Celeron (LGA775) |
| Supported FSB | - 1333/ 1066/ 800 MHz |
| Chipset | - Northbridge: Intel® P35 - Southbridge: Intel® ICH9 |
| Supported memory | - DDR2 667/800 SDRAM (240pin/non-ECC) - 4 DDR2 DIMM slots (8 GB Max) |
| Net | - Gigabit network (Realtek RTL8111B) |
| Audio | - Realtek ALC888 - 7.1 channel audio output - Compatible with Azalia |
| IDE | - 1 IDE port supported by Marvell 88SE6111 - Support for Ultra DMA 66/100/133, PIO and Bus Master modes |
| SATA | - 4 SATA ports (SATA1~4) supported by ICH9 south bridge - SATA 5 supported by Marvell 8SE6111 - Bandwidth up to 300 MB/s |
| RAID | - SATA1~6 support RAID 0/ 1/ 0+1/ 5 |
| Floppy | - 1 floppy port - Support 1 FDD (360 KB, 720 KB, 1.2 MB, 1.44 MB and 2.88 MB) |
| Back panel | - 1 PS/2 connector (mouse) - 1 PS/2 connector (keyboard) - 1 parallel port supporting SPP/EPP/ECP mode - 1 COM1 port - 4 USB port - 1 LAN connector - 6 audio outputs |
| Soldered connectors on the board | - 4 USB 2.0 - 1 Front Panel Audio - 1 CD-In - 1 SPDIF-out |
| Slots | - 1 PCI Express x 16 - 3 PCI Express x 1 - 2 PCI slots, 3.3V/ 5V PCI |
| Form factor | ATX (30.5cm X 22.0cm) |
| Number of mounting holes | 6 |
Design and layout
You can evaluate the layout of the board by looking at the following picture:
As a rule, when designing a budget-level motherboard, engineers do not have to rack their brains over the problem of placing various components due to their scarcity. Of the main disadvantages of the wiring, it should be noted that the memory slot, power connector and IDE connector are too close: if it is not difficult to assemble the system on an open bench, then in most cases this will create some problems.
The cumbersome cooling of some modern cards can block the first couple of memory slots, and by the way, this problem occurs all the time in most boards. The FDD connector is located at the very bottom of the board, but given the widespread death of floppy disks, we can safely close our eyes to this.
After evaluating the wiring, it's time to pay attention directly to the board:
Any sophisticated user will immediately understand by the bright red color of the textolite that there is an MSI board in front of him, and a budget one at that. MSI prefers to produce more expensive products on black textolite.
The northbridge, Intel P35, is covered with a rather large passive heatsink, which, as was said in the introductory part of the review, fully complies with the chipset manufacturer's recommendations.
The processor power module is assembled according to a three-channel scheme, which is quite enough if you use processors of the lower and middle levels. But for overclocking, especially if you want to overclock, for example, a top-end quad-core, this may simply not be enough. However, it is difficult to reproach MSI engineers for this: a top-end processor is usually paired with an appropriate motherboard, and for this, MSI has Platinum or Diamond series motherboards in store. On the board under test, you can find both classic capacitors from various manufacturers(there are traces of savings), and modern polymer electrolytes:
The board under test supports up to 8 GB of DDR2-800 memory; for this, 4 memory slots are soldered, offset in pairs relative to each other:
The board is equipped with three PCI-E 1x slots, which, in our opinion, is somewhat redundant: we can't find the corresponding peripherals so far, so it would be better if MSI engineers unsoldered at least one more PCI slot. Judge for yourself, in the computer of a digital technology lover you can often find a TV tuner or a video capture card of high quality. sound card and that's all if the board provides only two PCI slots. You have to go to additional expenses by purchasing an external sound card or modem, but the list of common peripherals does not end there.
The Clear CMOS (JBAT1) jumper is also conveniently located - near the two lower PCI-E 1x slots, near the battery, so even in system unit it will be easy enough to drop BIOS settings when overclocking fails.
The southbridge is also covered with a passive radiator, but this is quite enough: according to digital thermometer, during testing, the temperature of the radiator did not exceed 40? C. The board uses the ICH9 southbridge, so only 4 + 1 SATA connectors are soldered, support for the fifth SATA connector is provided by a chip manufactured by Marvell (Marvell 88SE6111):
The rear I/O panel also lacks functionality:
As you can see from the figure, only the most necessary things are displayed on the rear panel: PS / 2 connectors for a mouse and keyboard, four USB connectors, Serial and Parallel ports, and outputs and inputs of the audio subsystem. The user manual mentions that an optional D-SUB VGA connector can be found on the rear panel. Perhaps in the future, MSI plans to provide a budget board with an integrated video core. However, why not? Naturally, the G33 northbridge will be used in it.
On the reverse side, the board does not contain any soldered elements, so there should not be any problems with fixing some back-plates.
System monitoring is carried out thanks to the Fintek F71882FG chip:
BIOS and overclocking options
MSI is one of the few motherboard manufacturers that use AMI BIOS.
The most interesting, of course, is the Frequency/Voltage Control section, where overclocking functions are concentrated. For inexperienced users, the possibility of automatic overclocking is provided. A similar opportunity is available for boards from other manufacturers, in particular, ASUS. MSI refers to this feature as D.O.T., which stands for Dynamic Overclocking Technology. The names may be different, but the essence remains the same: the board gradually increases the system bus frequency and stops at a certain stable frequency, which is suggested to be used. Needless to say, CPU overclocking in manual mode will bring much top scores. The user can disable this function and choose one of the following options:
Everything is extremely simple: by choosing, for example, the Commander option, the board will increase the system bus frequency by 15%, thus overclocking the processor.
More advanced users can independently change the bus frequencies, as well as the operating voltage on the processor, memory and northbridge.
To the credit of MSI engineers, they did not cut down the overclocking capabilities of the board, even despite its obvious positioning in the budget segment: the maximum voltage values are very high, they are most likely typical for top overclocking solutions, judge for yourself:
So, you can increase the voltage on the processor to 1.55V, which, in the presence of a highly efficient cooler or more serious cooling, will allow you to successfully overclock most of the processors supported by the board. Only a three-channel power subsystem can become (and probably will become) a hindrance, but this is already a little off topic. From the default value for DDR2 voltage of 1.8 V, the user has the opportunity to increase it right up to 3.3 V. Considering that only the legendary BH-5 chips, which are known to comply with the DDR standard, could endure such a voltage without signs of long-term destruction, and even modern overclocker DDR2 modules are designed for an operating voltage of about 2.4 V (with a further increase in voltage, the memory will simply collapse), then 3.3 V is clearly a bit too much. The board designers could, for example, hide the increase in voltage in the range of 2.4-3.3 V from most inept experimenters, but this did not happen.
As for the voltage on the north bridge, you can increase it from 1.2 V to 1.6 V. Perhaps in this case passive cooling chipset can not be dispensed with.
For more fine tuning the user is given the opportunity to use various FSB:DRAM dividers.
An unpleasant surprise awaited us here: the board set the values at its own discretion, and sometimes, in order to achieve memory operation at a frequency of 800 MHz, we had to set values at random - at a system bus frequency of 200 MHz, a 1:2 divider gave absolutely wrong results. Naturally, the correctness of the memory had to be checked by several information and test utilities, for example, Everest. Obviously, this is an annoying BIOS flaw that should be fixed in fresh versions firmware.
The hardware monitoring section provides the ability to monitor the following parameters:
Nothing special, everything is modest, just like in GigaByte boards.
Included software
As for the corporate software, then MSI offered the Dual Core Center utility. As the name implies, the utility provides access to monitoring and settings of both the system board parameters and the video adapter. But with a small caveat: the video card must also be manufactured by MSI. The test showed that the utility often produces complete nonsense, and the usefulness of its use is very doubtful.
In the absence of overclocking, however, such bugs were not observed.
Another, the Live Update utility, which is designed to securely BIOS updates in Windows environment, stubbornly insisted that the latest BIOS for this board was already delivered, although an update had already appeared on the site:
Thus, the utilities supplied by the manufacturer turned out to be an absolutely useless toy, and they also do not shine with design delights.
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Today we're going to look at two motherboards based on the P35 chipset: MSI P35 Neo and MSI P35 Neo Combo. Both products are intended for middle-end systems, however, due to the novelty of the chipset, the retail price is quite high. In our opinion, the time of the P35 chipset has not yet come: it does not provide a noticeable expansion of functionality, and also does not provide a performance boost in conjunction with DDR3 memory. As for support for processors with a 1333 MHz bus, there are a lot of boards based on chipsets of the previous generation that officially support such processors. |
Specifications
| CPU | - Intel Pentium 4 (Prescott (2M)/Gallatin/CedarMill) with bus frequency 1066/800/533 MHz;
- Dual-core Intel Pentium D/EE (Smithfield/Presler) with bus frequency 800/1066 MHz; - Intel Celeron-D (Prescott) with a bus frequency of 533 MHz; - Support for Intel Core 2 Duo (Kentsfield (4 cores), Conroe/Allendale (2 cores)) with a bus frequency of 800/1066/1333 MHz; - Support for Intel Yorkfield, Wolfdale with a bus frequency of 1333/1066/800 MHz; - Socket LGA775; - Support for processors with HyperThreading technology; |
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| Chipset | - Northbridge Intel P35 Memory Controller Hub (MCH);
- Intel ICH9 Southbridge (Enhanced I/O Controller Hub); - Communication between bridges: DMI; |
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| System memory | - Two 240-pin DDR2 SDRAM DIMM slots;
- Two 240-pin DDR3 SDRAM DIMM slots; - Maximum memory capacity 4 GB; - Supported memory type DDR3 800/1066; |
- Four 240-pin DDR2 SDRAM DIMM slots;
- Maximum memory capacity 8 GB; - Supported memory type DDR2 667/800; - Dual-channel memory access is possible; |
| Graphic arts | - One PCI Express x16 slot; | |
| Expandability | - Two 32-bit PCI Bus Master slots;
- Three PCI Express x1 slots; - Twelve USB 2.0 ports (4 built-in + 8 optional); - Two IEEE1394 ports (Firewire; one built-in + one optional); - Built-in High Definition Audio 7.1; - Gigabit Ethernet network controller; |
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| Overclocking options | - Changing the FSB frequency from 200 to 500 MHz in 1 MHz steps; multiplier change;
- Changing the voltage on the processor, memory, PCI-E and chipset (nb & sb); |
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| Disk subsystem | - 1 channel UltraDMA133/100/66/33 Bus Master IDE (Marvell 88SE6111; supports up to 2 ATAPI devices);
- Support for SerialATA II protocol (4 channels - ICH9); - Support for the SerialATA II protocol (1 channel - Marvell 88SE6111); - Support for LS-120 / ZIP / ATAPI CD-ROM; |
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| BIOS | - 4Mbit Flash ROM; - AMI BIOS with support for Enhanced ACPI, DMI, Green, PnP Features; |
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| Miscellaneous | - One port for FDD, one serial port, ports for PS/2 mouse and keyboard;
- STR (Suspend to RAM); - SPDIF out; |
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| Power Management | - Wake up from modem, mouse, keyboard, network, timer and USB;
- Main 24-pin ATX power connector; - Additional 4-pin power connector; |
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| Monitoring | - Tracking the temperature of the processor, system, voltage, rotation speed of three fans;
- Smart technology fan; |
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| The size | - ATX form factor, 220mm x 305mm (8.65" x 12"); | |
boxes
Both boards are completely identical.
- Motherboard;
- User Manual on English language+ quick guide;
- CD with software and drivers;
- One ATA-133 cable;
- One SerialATA cable + power adapter (one connector);
- Plug on the rear panel of the case;
And contains only the most necessary components for assembly.
Boards
It's easy to see that both boards have a very similar PCB design. Differences only in the area of memory slots. In particular, the MSI P35 Neo Combo board has four multi-colored slots, two of which are for DDR2 modules, and two for DDR3.
The MSI P35 Neo board also has four slots, but all of them are for DDR2 modules.
Each board has three fan headers: one 4-pin (for the CPU cooler) and two three-pin. The latter are not used - the chipset's cooling system is completely passive and consists of two heatsinks.
The boards have one PCI Express x16 slot, two PCI slots, and three PCI Express x1 slots.
Both boards have an ICH9 southbridge with a heatsink. As a result, the boards support four SerialATA II channels.
In addition, the boards have an additional ParallelATA/SerialATA controller Marvell 88SE6111.
As a result, each of the boards can be connected to seven hard drives(5 SATA + 2 PATA). Further, the ICH9 south bridge supports 12 USB2.0 ports: four on the rear panel, and eight more are connected using brackets (not included). In addition, the boards support the Firewire serial bus. To do this, they have an additional controller VT6308P manufactured by VIA.
Accordingly, the boards support two ports each, one of which is installed on the rear panel, the other is connected using a bracket (not included).
Also, the ALC888 audio codec is installed on both boards.
A few words about the network: both boards support high-speed network connection; they have the same RTL8111B controller installed:
The back panel of the boards is the same and has the following configuration:
Let's talk about BIOS settings.
BIOS
The BIOS of the MSI P35 Neo and P35 Neo Combo boards is based on the AMI BIOS version and is unified as much as possible.
In the memory settings section, the following set of timings:
An important parameter that affects performance is setting the memory frequency.
Let's look at the system monitoring section.
Both boards display the current CPU and system temperatures, voltages, monitor the rotation speed of three fans, and have the function of adjusting the rotation of the CPU cooler depending on the CPU temperature.
Overclocking and stability
Before moving on to overclocking, let's look at power converters. Their circuit is the same: PWM of MSI P35 Neo Combo board and MSI P35 Neo board has 3-phase circuit, which has one 3300uF capacitor, four 1000uF capacitors and eight 680uF capacitors.
The overclocking features are also the same.
| Pay | MSI P35 Neo/Neo Combo |
| Changing the multiplier | + |
| FSB change | 200 to 500 MHz (1) |
| Vcore change | up to +0.7875 V (0.0125 V) |
| Change Vmem | 1.8V to 3.3V (0.05-0.1V) |
| Change Vdd | 1.2 V to 1.6 V (0.025 V) |
| Change Vpcix | 1.5 V to 1.8 V (0.1 V) |
| Vsb change | from 1.05 V; 1.15 V |
| Vtt change | 1.2V to 1.6V (0.025V) |
| Change PCI-E | 100 MHz to 200 MHz (1) |
A few words about the MSI D.O.T mode, in which overclocking is carried out exactly when needed. In other words, an increase in the FSB frequency occurs at the time of launching a resource-intensive application (for example, a game). And after exiting the application, the system returns to the regular frequency.
Let's look at the practical results of overclocking. The maximum stable FSB frequency for MSI P35 Neo is 466 MHz; the MSI P35 Neo Combo board has 350 MHz.
Performance
When determining the starting FSB frequency, it turned out that both boards overestimate it by 1 MHz.